NN family of CARPHIN unknown dna

#4
The Dna of this branch is unknown
I was fairly sure that this connected to Greenholm and DNA3 as Greenholm ended up with some of the Carphin property

This was because Barbara Nisbet of Carphin
who has been shown as to died as an infant on some charts

married 1681 to Robert Nisbet of Greenholm
Often relations married so could still be from same family
and both have connections to Ayrshire

Could also be one of the DNA groups that flourish in Ireland possibly Donegal
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NN family of GREENHOLM dna3 and unknown dna

#5
Greenholm belongs to DNA group3

ROBERT N of Greenholm * bef 1485 + ca 1519
X Margaret Blair + bet 1553 and 1568
had a son James who died without heirs so Greenholm went to his oldest sister Margarets descendants (so this older branch could be another DNA group)

Margaret N married John Nisbet of Braidley who was the son of Hugh Nisbet of Haig
and Greenholm then followed their descendants and from then on belong to DNA group 3

There is a good chance that the Margaret and John were related as they lived fairly close to each other and cousins often married. (It brought property that was divided back to the main family)
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NN family of CRAIGENTINNIE unknown dna

#6
see DEAN DIRLETON CRAIGENTINNIE-1 for the ancestors

DNA unknown

Dean and Craigentinnie exchanged lands I suspect because of financial reasons

This is the chart of the what was Nisbet of Dean and became Craigentinnie

There is an error on this chart and a whole generation is missing
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NN family of DEAN unknown dna

#7
see DEAN DIRLETON CRAIGENTINNIE-1 for the ancestors

DNA unknown

Dean and Craigentinnie exchanged lands I suspect because of financial reasons

This is the chart of the what was Nisbet of Craigentinnie and became Dean

Dean was having some financial difficulties

He was also behind some forgery of documents that connected him to Nisbet of that ILK
that ruined a bit of the reputation of the work of Sir Alexander Nisbet the Herald
(see below)

The only record I have found is death announcement that uses of that Ilk which he wanted badly

1728 Edinburgh DEATHS: And on Monday, last died SIR JOHN NISBET of that ILK, at his seat of the DEAN; much regretted.Caledonian Mercury Thursday 28 March 1728 -Scotland

'Sir John Nisbet of Dean, Baronet, his family has been in use for a long time, by Allowance of Authority, to carry supporters, viz., on the right Side of the Shield a Savage wreathed about the Head and Middle, holding a Baton in his Right Hand all proper, and on the left Side a Greyhound proper; which two Supporters uphold the principal Arms of the Family of Nisbet of That Ilk; viz. Argent, three Boars Heads erased Sable, armed and langued Gules, with the crest of the Family, laying aside the Cheveron, a mark of Cadency, used formerly by the House of Dean: In Regard that the Family of Dean has Right, by Consent, to represent the old original Family of the Name of Nisbet, since the only lineal Male Representer (the Author of this System) is like to go soon off the World, being an old Man, and without Issue, Male or Female.
Nisbet's original MS. is in the possession of the Lyon Office, and it proves that the passage on account of which he has been denounced as a, 'trafficker,' who retailed for a pittance the ancient honours of his family, has been interpolated, by those who prepared the posthumously-issued folio, between entries of the arms of Dalmahoy of that Ilk and of Edgar of Wedderlie.

In the volume published by Messrs. Ross and Grant a facsimile is given of the page containing these entries, and they show that this is only one of a long series of garblings and falsifications, foisted in Nisbet's name and to the injury of his reputation. These heraldic and genealogical frauds, which remained undiscovered for a hundred and fifty years, have been set down to the account of Roderick Chalmers, 'herald and herald-painter,' to whom the preparation of the folio was committed. The quotation given above must be pronounced the most flagrant of the series, since Nisbet is made to come forward in his own person, with an appeal to our sympathies, while practically confessing an offence against the canons of the science of which he was an ardent student. The editors of the Nisbet Plates pronounce that 'the deed was perpetrated in the interests of the Dean branch of the Nisbet family, whose influence throughout Volume 2 of the folio, in which they more than once claim to be the principal family of the name, is quite apparent.' 'There can be no doubt,' it is said, 'that it was effected between 1723 and 1728, and the irony of the situation consists in the fact that Sir John Nisbet of Dean, for whose family glorification the fraud was concocted, died fourteen years before the world became acquainted with the ambitious claim made by him on behalf of his family.' As Sir John, like Alexander Nisbet and Roderick Chalmers, is no longer here to answer for himself, it seems only fair to say that the allegation that this bold heraldic 'fake' was made on his prompting and with his collusion is, after all, a suspicion founded on assumed motive, and falls considerably short of proof. It has not been shown that he ever made use of the 'principal Family Arms'; and the fact that the claim of a right to do so did not appear in print until so many years after his death should tell in his favour.
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